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#271180 - 28/01/10 07:04 AM Pedal for solo
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Hi!

I have problems getting through on my solos, and I need a box that can satisfy me..
I play on a orange rocker 30 with a Gibson SG, and I mainly play the dirty channel..
Will a booster (MXR micro amp) do the job, or does that work best on the clean? What about a tube screamer.. ? I will be happy, happy, happy for recomendations.

I Play things like Sabbath, Stones, White Stripes etc..

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#271187 - 28/01/10 08:30 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: SAUERMUGG]
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There's plenty of ways to solve that particular problem- essentially, all you need is something to provide a little extra volume and perhaps some EQ change- probably a midrange boost- to help your guitar stand out.

A Tubescreamer would work- most overdrive pedals are based on this design, so don't feel you need to have the "official", expensive model if money is tight- a BOSS SD-1 or a Digitech Bad Monkey will get a similar volume and mid-boost.

Alternatives? a dedicated boost pedal might be worth a try- some are designed to provide a volume boost without adding any of their own distortion or tonal "colour" (MXR Micro Amp is one of these, I think), whereas some (EH LPB-1, clones of the Dallas Rangemaster) add dirt and alter your tone.

Your third pedal-based option is an Equaliser of some sort- you can tailor the sort of frequency boost you want with more flexibility than you could with a booster pedal (unless you were pretty hot on your audio electronics and could modify it yourself, although that's not really an option mid-gig!), but you won't necessarily be able to capture the particular flavour that something like a Rangemaster clone would give you.

A word of warning- how an amp responds to a volume boost to it's front-end depends on a lot of factors, and that boost might translate purely to added volume, or added distortion, or both. EQ can help here- more mids can give the impression of more volume, and will usually help your guitar "cut through" in a mix. Mid-boosted tones can sound "honky" and un-appealing when heard in isolation, but wait til you've played with the band before you decide.

The cheap and cheerful option, which might just work for you, and save you some beer money, is to set your amp up to the required volume and tone for your solo sound, then turn the volume on your guitar down to three-quarters for regular rhythm work. It worked for Eddie Van Halen...

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#271221 - 29/01/10 03:47 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: ]
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If you just want to change the level, without affecting the tone/distortion, AND you have a serial effects loop, then one of these should do the job just fine:

http://www.award-session.com/solobooster.html

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#271224 - 29/01/10 05:00 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: CortRedHanded]
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Thanx..

Don`t have a FX-loop on the Orange.. Just read this about micr amp:
you can also plug your guitar through the Micro Amp and into the amp's input. This overdrives the preamp stage, giving you less overall volume boost (it's only boosting the guitar's own output) but loads of high-gain crunch on the clean channel

Hmmmm... Is it the same with tube screamers?

So, I just have to do some experimenting..

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#271233 - 29/01/10 08:50 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: SAUERMUGG]
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 Originally Posted By: SAUERMUGG
Thanx..

Hmmmm... Is it the same with tube screamers?

So, I just have to do some experimenting..


The principle is the same with the tubescreamer, but the resulting tone will be different.

For starters, even with the gain control on minimum, the tubescreamer will add a small amount of its own distortion, and it has a tone circuit that cuts bass and boosts mids whenever it's on (which is not necessarily a bad thing at high volumes when amps can tend to get a little boomy and muddy, in case you're wondering).

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#275209 - 16/04/10 04:44 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: ]
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Mate i use a Boss bd2 on the clean channel on my Fender 212r at the moment ( Funds are small!!) and i tried a behringer graphics pedal for the same function but found it too muddy and it changed the tone of the amp. Now i have a volume pedal which seems to be the answer for me .
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#277041 - 10/06/10 12:16 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: gazaboy1]
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Hi,

The tube screamer is an awesome pedal-I used to have an original modded to SRV specs, but it won't give you as big a jump in volume as I think you're looking for for your solos...

I had a brief fling with a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem (so called because of the two preamp tubes within it)which includes a db boost to significantly boost the signal with an on off switch purely for the db gain. It's a very heavy pedal though, so may colour the rest of your solo sound too much-even on the lower gain settings (unless you are after a rich solo saturated sound)...I would look at one on youtube, or better yet in a shop if that's possible near you...

Personally, I recently moved to a Line6 Spider Valve MK11 HD100 head (2 pre amp, 4 power amp valves) and an FBV shortboard to control 20 fx etc in real time. One button pressing can swap between 128 of your own presets utilising very good fender / marshall / mesa amp emulations...they are very well done and it sounds better (In my hunble opinion)than any other valve amp I've had or had the pleasure to play over the years. One button presses can take you from a warm clean channel to a blazing OD channel with desired effects etc... They're a lot of money with the matching 4 x 12, but don't sound processed at all (like the cheaper line6 amps) and definitely cuts through a band mix...especially during solos.... but, that's entirely my opinion and doesn't really answer your original question!lol
Good luck in your quest!
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#277046 - 10/06/10 03:00 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: Teatle]
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A classic dilemma here. Have you tried rolling your guitar's volume down to about 7 for most of your playing, then bringing it up full for solos?
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#277052 - 10/06/10 05:54 AM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: stickyfiddle]
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I always found that rolling back made significant change to the tone. One answer is the EMG Afterburner which is a clean boost and one model you can set how much boost from a mini knob while a press cuts it in and out. Still not perfect as you might, as previously noted, want more mid boost to have your solos cut through, without top squeal or bottom growl. I'd probably go with a good EQ for preference but similar can be done with an overdrive pedal. Just keep the drive/gain down and the volume where you need it.
Of course, in the old days we learned how to play quieter from the hands but most of the current pickups around are not that sensitive to touch. (My old Bill Lawrence is brilliant at it)

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#277125 - 11/06/10 03:40 PM Re: Pedal for solo [Re: Lurcher]
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One thing to remember here is that pedals sound different with different guitars and amps. I use an AXL TOD 9 which works fantastically well with my stuff but I've recommended it to other people and it hasn't worked for them.
My advice is if you can take your guitar and amp to a shop to try out different makes and models you'll definately know.

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