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#272517 - 24/02/10 07:47 AM
The Dubai assassination
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shay
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The media around the world covers the assassination of al-Mabhouh in Dubai. Unsurprisingly Israeli Mossad is the main suspect. I can see why this operation attracts a lot of attention, but it seems like the media - which is more concerned about finding the responsible - has forgotten who this man was. Without getting into the Israeli - Palestinian complicated conflict, Al Mabhouh was a ruthless terrorist, who was in charge of two awful murders of young soliders, who were kidnapped on their way home, and then brutally murdered. Nowdays, when peace is so vital, and our nations are just a heartbeat away from an irreversible war, and endless efforts are made to get this conflict over with, this man was in charge of supplying guns, rockets, and other warlike stores to terrorist organizations. The death of that man was an interest of any country that sends it's sons abroad to fight terror.
IMO, it doen't matter who killed him. The media is sending the wrong message here. Insted of backing the Dubai's denounce of the assassination, it should interpret the contribution of this operation to the international war on terror.
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#272520 - 24/02/10 08:17 AM
Re: The Dubai assassination
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english_bob
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Whoever he was, assassination is not justice as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know whether Hamas have any intention of carrying out terrorist acts outside Israel/Palestine, or whether they have in the past, but as far as I know, their conflict is with Israel and Israel only, so this isn't so much an "international war on terror" issue as one of Israeli national security. I have to say that from what I know about the situation in Israel, while I absolutely do not condone terrorism, I do have some sympathy for the Palestinians. I can't see a clear right or wrong in that conflict, so I find it very hard to condone the actions of either side, but given Israel's clear military advantage, I find it particularly hard to back any actions they take along that route to "resolve" the issue.
Killing someone on foreign soil who may or may not be guilty of terrorist acts he hasn't been tried and convicted of, and implicating british citizens in his murder isn't acceptable, whoever was killed, and whoever killed them. I doubt we'd hear about it if british or american involvement was suspected, and that's the biggest problem I have with the media coverage.
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#272521 - 24/02/10 08:27 AM
Re: The Dubai assassination
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Danmeemusic a.k.a. BB
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Insted of backing the Dubai's denounce of the assassination, it should interpret the contribution of this operation to the international war on terror.
I think it's quite hard for them to do that, because it would effectively mean condoning stealing people's identities from another nation, not to mention one that has already condemned the violence in the region. It was clear that it was a covert operation and if it was run by Britain it would have been akin to something MI6 would be doing. But the British government can't allow it's citizen's identities to be stolen in order to carry out a murder regardless of the intent behind it. I am really starting to hate the use of the word terrorist, it almost has no meaning anymore. In the 1990s if someone was called a terrorist it actually meant something, but now everyone who makes an attack on anyone is labelled a terrorist.
I don't think it's within the media's interest to explain who the dead man was. Especially the British tabloid media in what we now have as a run up to an election. They are going to increasingly show their party allegiances, and use what every story they need to dig at the opposing party.
Is peace so vital? looks to me as fighting for peace is a fairly bad oxymoron. Look at the history, apart from the obvious, over the last 100 years how many times when Britain or America has got involved in a foreign conflict, which isn't directly affecting our countries, has it ended up biting us on the backside further on down the line. The current situation with Afghanistan is pretty much a result of what happened in the 50s and 60s, same as Iraq, we funded the people we are now fighting against. IMHO, it would have been better to keep out of it entirely. All we have done is risked our troops lives, killed innocent people, and potentially set these countries back a very long way, and given them such a terrible view of us and the potential for more attacks on us in the future.
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#272541 - 24/02/10 01:47 PM
Re: The Dubai assassination
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Skyline Band
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What I really, really want to know is the daily count of Taliban killed and wounded please. Why do I have to endure the pain of hearing of the deaths of our soldiers and be left to wonder whether we're sticking it to the enemy and to what extent?
I think I know the answer. It's the explanation that dare not speak it's name...
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#272543 - 24/02/10 01:54 PM
Re: The Dubai assassination
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Skyline Band
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The assassinated guy was in Dubai to sort out an arms supply deal for Hamas. I don't blame Israel for eliminating him. Once Iran gets its first nuclear missiles ready we'll all rely on Isreal to zap them on the ground on our behalf.
Like everyone else I honestly wish the world were different and that playing by the rules gave us the moral highground, etc. etc. The reality is I'm afraid that you have to be strong or go under. The Jews more than anyone know that pious passivity doesn't work.
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#272571 - 24/02/10 08:56 PM
Re: The Dubai assassination
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shay
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 50
Loc: Israel
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The assassinated guy was in Dubai to sort out an arms supply deal for Hamas. I don't blame Israel for eliminating him. Once Iran gets its first nuclear missiles ready we'll all rely on Isreal to zap them on the ground on our behalf.
Like everyone else I honestly wish the world were different and that playing by the rules gave us the moral highground, etc. etc. The reality is I'm afraid that you have to be strong or go under. The Jews more than anyone know that pious passivity doesn't work.
I have to agree with that. People tend to forget, or to not notice, how un-naive the world is.
It occurs to me when I trevel abroad and meet guys who live outside of the Middle East, and terror knocks on their door only from time to time, if ever. The general comment I get about the situation here, when spoken about, is "You all must drop your weapons and sit and talk". For me, comments like these show big lack of knowledge (there's a good reason for why there's a doctorate in Middle East studies). From time to time, governments realize they must take off the gloves and act differently from what moral tells us. We can sit in our comfortable chair and condemn it, but its actions like these that allow us to actually sit abck comfortably. Deny it is to bury our heads in the sand.
I do not want, by any means, to sound patronize. If my message does give that impression - It's only due to my English skills, and you have my apology.
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#272578 - 25/02/10 08:18 AM
Re: The Dubai assassination
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english_bob
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The general comment I get about the situation here, when spoken about, is "You all must drop your weapons and sit and talk". For me, comments like these show big lack of knowledge (there's a good reason for why there's a doctorate in Middle East studies).
So explain to me how people all over the rest of the world with opposing goals, cultures, religious beliefs etc. DO manage to sit down and resolve their problems with diplomacy rather than mortars and bulldozers? It seems to me to show just as great a lack of understanding to say "we're different, we can't talk to each other, we've just got to kill each other to solve our problems".
It's not as though Hamas fell out of space six weeks ago and started hating Israel- there's a long and complex history to the conflict in which both sides have given each other ample reason to hate the other, I know, but if the shoe were on the other foot- a high-profile Israeli had been killed, or you were a Palestinian- I'm sure you wouldn't be quite so disgustingly glib about a man's murder.
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