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#275688 - 30/04/10 07:51 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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english_bob
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So can you then use any route on the pent. scale to solo over any song?
Not quite sure what you mean by this, but it sounds like you're asking whether you can play a solo using a scale from a different key to the song you're playing- say, a solo using a D minor pentatonic over a song that's in C minor. The answer is no, you should use the scale that corresponds to the key you're in. Song in D minor, solo in D minor.
Actually, the answer is probably "maybe", but it depends how you want it to sound- it's more usual to use scales from the same key as the song to improvise with, but it's not impossible (although it is unlikely) to get a "good" sound from the "wrong" scale.
It's a common misconception that you should use a different scale for each chord in the progression you're playing over, and back in the Jazz era this was the case. Fortunately, a combination of modal theory and general ignorance has led to a much simpler situation where you can use one scale throughout a song (as long as there's no key changes!)
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#275691 - 30/04/10 08:12 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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acknowledged74
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Brilliant got it, thanks so much both of you for your help.
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#275696 - 30/04/10 08:29 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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Wolfe
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First things first. Don't be fooled into thinking that this.....
... is the shape you use to play Minor Pentatonics. It isn't. Just one small section of it. Instead you use all of this......
... which are the same five notes from one end of the neck to the 12th (pattern repeats at 12th up).
Second. Don't think that this.....
... is the shape you use for Major Pentatonics. It isn't. Just one small section of it. Instead you use all of this......
Now, if you've been paying attention, you'll notice that they are in fact THE EXACT SAME PATTERN. The only difference is which note you treat as root. Like so...
Every major scale is also some other minor scale. In the case above, the A Minor Pentatonic scale just so happens to have the same notes in it as the C Major Pentatonic Scale.
The only reason these two sections of the pattern...
are referred to as the Major and Minor patterns is because they are the only two sections of the overall pattern that just so happen to start on the first note of their respective scale on the top string. So this section of pattern...
... always starts on the root note of a Pentatonic Minor scale on the top string (the other sections of pattern start on one of the other four notes) and so can be quickly used as a reference to figure out where to place the WHOLE pattern. Like So.....
Which, as you can see, is the exact same overall pattern for each scale (As is the Major Pattern).
As for what is the difference between the 5 note Pentatonic and the 6 note blues scale. Well, it's the extra blue note of course...
In this case The Dm Penta and Dm Blues Penta.
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#275697 - 30/04/10 08:35 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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english_bob
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Excellent. Now rock out.
Once you've started to get a grasp of the scales that are widely used by improvising guitarists, it gets a good deal easier to work out how they play what they do, and how you can play it.
It's likely to be beneficial for you to get the sound of the pentatonic and blues scales in to your head, then try to copy the blues-based lines you hear on records. Older blues-rock stuff is a good place to start because the playing will be almost entirely within the blues scale, and not hugely complicated, so you'll be able to build up a repertoire of blues "licks" you can work in to your own solos.
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#277418 - 19/06/10 07:22 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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Equilibrium
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Hello,
Each scale is created from the chromatic scale : - A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# A
You get your different scales from applying certain intervals to the above Chromatic Scale (an interval is the distance between two notes the distance between A to A# is a semi tone interval, the distance between A to B is a tone interval.)
Lets look at a Maj scale, the intervals for a major scale are as follows:
Tone Tone Tone Semi Tone Tone Tone Tone Semi Tone
So place this formula on any root note, we will use A
This will give you:
A B C# D E F# G# A
And there you have youre A Maj scale
Lets look at a Min scale, the intervals for a major scale are as follows:
Tone Tone Tone Semi Tone Tone Tone Tone Semi Tone
The pentatonic scales take the main structure of a scale and play certain notes:
A Major pentatonic would use the- Root, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, Octave
A B C# E F# A = Amaj pentatonic
A Minor pentatonic would use the- Root, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, Octave
A C D E G A = Amin pentatonic
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#278347 - 15/07/10 04:12 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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fat_boy
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between Dm Pent. D Pent. Am Pent etc etc,
So the A major Pentatonic starts on the route a note on the E string 5th fret, so what the Em and where does it starts?
The difference is where they start on the neck, but the shape is exactly the same for all of them.
Major pentatonic scales are always three semitones (frets) lower (down the fretboard) than the minor.
So an A major starts at the 2nd fret, and the A minor at the 5th (which is easy to remember as its the A note on the bottom E string).
So for a Dm you start at the D note on the bass E string. ie, 10th fret.
The E minor starts on the E of the bass E string, ie, open.
You need to learn the entire scale (not just the first position) all the way up the fret board. Then just change your starting point to match the key you want.
And study wolfes posts about why certain chords work over a particular scale (its because the notes that make up the chord are in the scale). If you get that, you will have mastered the guitar.
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#278348 - 15/07/10 04:21 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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english_bob
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If you get that, you will have mastered the guitar.
Hardly. That's like saying that knowing all the words in the dictionary makes you a great writer. All scales will give you is a FRAMEWORK on which to hang your musical endeavours. Scales will help you avoid the wrong notes, but they won't help you put the "right" notes in the right order.
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#278383 - 15/07/10 03:55 PM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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I think it was just a phrase to help the chap feel like he would be getting somewhere, not necessarily to be taken quite so literally.
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#278416 - 17/07/10 09:53 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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Equilibrium
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Harmony & Chord Families are not difficult and once learnt will vastly improve your playing, theory and song writing providing endless hours of creative writing.
Lets look at Chord Families;
After this lesson you will know every Triad chord in every Major and Minor key enabling you to write your first song.
Step 1: Choose the key you wish to find the triad chords for
Ok I want to find the triad chords within the key of A Major
Step 2: List the scale notes of the key you want to find
OK I selected A so using what I was taught in Lesson 1 I can use my Chromatic Scale & Scale Tones to list the notes of the A Major Scale - A B C# D E F# G#
Step 3: List your notes on a sheet of paper from the Root note to the Octave
Ok, so that would be A B C# D E F# G# A
Step 4: For each note within the Scale we apply the 'Take One - Miss One' technique
The 'Take One - Miss One' technique is really simple
Each of the 8 notes within the scale (which you should have written on a sheet of paper) will be the Root note of each Triad Chord within that key.
(.i.e. A will be the Root note for Chord 1 whilst E would be the Root note for Chord 5)
OK, I select A to start on
Lets apply the first section of the technique by applying the 'Take One' which basically means the note you are currently situated on will be selected.
Ok, I have selected the A note
Next apply the second part of the technique the 'Miss One' which basically means, miss out the next note and move to the one after
Ok, so from A I should miss B and move to C#
The C# would then become the 3rd of my Chord (refer to Lesson 1 for Chord constructions) place the C# under your A note
Ok, I now have the A = root note
C# = third
Again we miss a note and take the next in the scale which would be E, place the E under the C# which becomes the chords 5th note
Ok, so I am left with = A = root
C# = third
E = fifth
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#278417 - 17/07/10 09:53 AM
Re: The pentatonic scale ? A, Am, D, Dm whats the difference and why ?
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Equilibrium
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Minimalism means making something big out of something small
An example of Minimalism would be taking one bar of rhythm and creating a whole 32 bar score by simple altering the original rhythm with each bar played
You are taking a small rhythmic phrase and by altering it 32 times creating a whole 32 bar score, starting with something small and turning it into something big
Polly Rhythm is when you take 1 bar of rhythm played by 2 instruments and play the rhythms slightly apart
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