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#277352 - 17/06/10 05:14 AM Guitar Rig from Native Instruments
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Registered: 15/06/10
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I got the v£ of this software as a demmo, and had a play with it.

I have an HP laptop, pavilion zv5000 (its a decent machine, aimed at being a multimedia box, it has Harmon Cardon speakers and a decent sound card from SOundMax)

First thing I noticed was an inability ot get the sound right. Lots of clicking and delay. Whatever I tried I couldnt get it right.

The tech support at NI suggested installing ASIODLL. I did, it improved things a lot but wasnt perfect. I fiddled with the advanced settings and found that foercing the sound card to 16 bit (halves the data size) did the trick.

I then spent 12 hours trying out all the built in effect settings and my god was I impressed.

With the various cruch settings the most amazing thing was the quality and tone reproduction. The sound never becomes muddy. It truly sounds so much better then the amps built in suzz and gain, or my Boss distortion pedal (or my Danelectro fuzz box).

I need to amke up a special connector to hook the speaker out jack to the amp, both channels need to wire up to the single mono channel I imagine because currently the sound is bas (through proper computer speakers the sound is fantastic though).

If it works, I will seriously consider buying the full package fomr NI, it really is incredible the sounds this SW can create. I feel in a few days my playing has even improved because the quality of sound you get is so good it inspires tyou to try new things, and play more accurately, more quickly.

What was a labourious attempt at Jimmies solo on Communicaiton Breakdown is now a glorious flow of sound!

And some of the effects are just mindblowing. Your guitar sounds like an synth, choir, and violin quartet at the same time playing endless haromnies!

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#277372 - 17/06/10 12:52 PM Re: Guitar Rig from Native Instruments [Re: fat_boy]
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How're you connecting your guitar to your PC Fat_Boy?

I'd suggest a "proper" Audio Interface, I use a M-Audio Fast Track Pro. The ASIO driver is designed (from what I can gather) as a low latency driver for such interfaces. Essentially they take the sound processing away from your PC; basically an external sound card. I think they start from around £50 for a semi decent AI. Mine cost a little more but it allows two channels at the same time (Mic and instrument).

I'm a guitar Rig user and love it to bits. I have no latency or "clicking" issues on my rig.

I'm assuming here that you're either connecting your guitar directly either by a USB jack or mic type socket.
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#277423 - 19/06/10 12:39 PM Re: Guitar Rig from Native Instruments [Re: Noise_Maker]
fat_boy Offline
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Through the speaker jack to the amp and the guitar to the mic input.

Of course its mono, and I believe using a mono quarter inch jack in a stero quarter to 4 mm adataer cause problems because one of the channels will be run down the 'earth; wire.

Anyway, I made up a propper adapter, bpth channels nowfeed to the mono signal wire, and its alot better, however, plugging the lapop into the mains creates a lot of noise. On batteries its OK.

Laptops of course pack a lot of kit nto a tiny space so there are always interference problems.

I think you are right, a desktop with a propper sound card is the solution, but, do you want to lug a desktop around on gigs, or lug 4 or 5 pedals?

ANyway, now I have it working as well as it can on the amp, not through desktop speakers, I think there are limitations with guitar rig/my laptop. The sound, while convincing on the speakers, lacks punch and richness through an amp. Perhaops this is the laptop, again, they are buolt to a price.

Another limitation with guitar rig ia the noise many of the effects create especialy when there is no inoput signal. Perhaps this is how the real kit sounds, but in the digital age why isnt this filtered? It wold be simple to kill the output if there isnt an input to the kit. It is after all a piece of software (I am a software developer by the way, I worl in the kernel mostly).

So I am not so impressed as I was at first (however I believe guitar rig has helped my understanding of effects in general and how to acchieve certain sounds, so I am experimentingmore with my pedals and amp, and combining them in different ways and with different settings, which is usefull.)

Tell me though, the MAudio Fast Track, is it an external sonfd card (ie can it be used with a laptop)?

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#277424 - 19/06/10 03:19 PM Re: Guitar Rig from Native Instruments [Re: fat_boy]
Noise_Maker Offline
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Hi F_B.

By the way you describe your laptop it sounds very much as if it's more than capable to do the job in hand. All I think you need is a "proper" audio interface (AI). My gut feeling is that if I were to replicate your set-up on my beefy desktop I'd probably get the exact same results (obviously I couldn't run on battery!).

All an AI is, is an external USB "box" typically the size of a couple of DVD jewel cases stuck together; some are much smaller but I'm not too sure of their function.

You can connect them to any device as long as it has a USB port and supported drivers you can use it. I've used mine with both my MacBook Pro and PC. Your speakers (or headphones), also plug in to the AI. It produces the sound and not your PC speakers.

Check out:

http://line6.com/podstudio/

http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.family&ID=USBinterfaces

also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPIYjbx5DbQ


Edited by Noise_Maker (19/06/10 03:21 PM)
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