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#279527 - 02/09/10 05:34 AM
Bending, Hi i am new
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jeffrobizzle
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Hi all, i have an issue with bending. i have been practicing my bends and i have noticed that other strings ringing out.lets say i bend a note on the G string, the D and A will ring and it is really pissing me off. also my finger tips are killing lol. I have Ernie Ball Super Slinky 9s on my guitar at the mo, should i get some other strings or do i just need to man up?. any advice would be much appreciated, thanks
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#279529 - 02/09/10 06:29 AM
Re: Bending, Hi i am new
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english_bob
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9s are already very light- I'm afraid it doesn't get much better than that. Just like when you first started playing though, the skin that's hurting now will get callused and hard and your problems will be over. Eventually.
Controlling the unwanted noise is mostly a matter of how you arrange the fretting hand fingers that aren't holding down the string you're bending. Most of the blues scale shapes wind up with the big bends under your third or fourth finger, so you can fret the note with the third finger, support the bend with your second and use your first finger to mute the other strings.
It also helps to look at how your fingers meet the other strings- if you're bending the G string with your third finger as before, having the tip of your second finger meet the D and A strings before your third lets you push them out of the way without interfering with the G string.
All of this probably sounds very complicated, and you might be forgiven for thinking that a few extra fingers on your fretting hand might be useful, but with practice it'll become very natural.
As with most aspects of your technique, it will help a lot to slow things right down and concentrate on exactly what's happening when you bend a string, so that you can see exactly what's going wrong and what's causing the noise.
Edited by english_bob (02/09/10 06:32 AM)
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#279532 - 02/09/10 07:06 AM
Re: Bending, Hi i am new
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jeffrobizzle
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ok thanks for the advice guys, i will keep practicing
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#279533 - 02/09/10 07:10 AM
Re: Bending, Hi i am new
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Oldjono
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More tips... Try to imagine you are turning a door handle in an anti clockwise fashion (If your fretting hand is the left one). Using your wrist as the part of your hand that turns whilst pushing the string up with your finger tip and utilising the other fingers a suggested. Remember to have your thumb lose on the back of the neck as this will turn too.
Try to learn how to just bend the note up a quarter, semi and full tone then when that is comfortable you can start to 'worry' the movement causing the vibrato to kick in. One step at a time and don't over do it you'll learn a bad technique by not allowing yourself the time to learn stuff. More haste = less speed.
As an aside... One small thing is to refrain from using expletives in your text too.
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#279536 - 02/09/10 07:27 AM
Re: Bending, Hi i am new
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deanoet
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On a newbie related note
Is a string bend the same sound / effect as a wammy bar press? Or are they used differently?
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#279541 - 02/09/10 08:19 AM
Re: Bending, Hi i am new
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english_bob
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On a newbie related note
Is a string bend the same sound / effect as a wammy bar press? Or are they used differently?
If you have a "floating" vibrato system- one that can raise and lower the pitch of the strings, then you can get roughly the same effect with the whammy bar that you can by string bending- of course, with string bends you can only move the pitch of a note UP, whereas you can move it either up or down with the vibrato.
How far you can bend up depends on the vibrato in question. You can probably get between a tone (two frets) and a minor third (three frets) up-bend from a Strat-style vibrato if you tweak it right, but I believe that some Floyd Rose systems with generous back-routing (the technical term for "a big hole cut out of the guitar under the vibrato unit") can get around a perfect fourth (five frets) of up-bend. How long your strings will put up with that kind of nonsense is another matter. You *can* do some pretty big string bends (see: David Gilmour, Jimi Hendrix), but you may not be able to hold them very long, and you'll need to develop some
serious strength in your fingers.
BUT, the big difference is in how it sounds- the vibrato system can sound a little mechanical, and is harder to keep control of than normal finger bends, which means the pitch of the note will wander all over the place, and that's going to sound bad. Like Noise Maker says, the vibrato bar will alter the pitch of ALL the strings, so you can't have bent notes against others that remain at one pitch.
On the other hand, there are a whole range of things that you can do with a vibrato system on a guitar that can't be done with regular string bends- slide guitar imitations, wider interval bends (including "dive bombs", where the bar is pushed down hard and the pitch of the strings drops dramatically), bending harmonics, very vocal sounds... Jeff Beck is an absolute master of this sort of thing. Pull up a video of "Where Were You" on Youtube to see what you can get up to with a whammy bar (and a LOT of practice). Other wiggle-stick masters to watch? Hank Marvin, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai... From the sublime to the ridiculous.
Edited by english_bob (02/09/10 08:31 AM)
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#279542 - 02/09/10 08:39 AM
Re: Bending, Hi i am new
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english_bob
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As an aside... One small thing is to refrain from using expletives in your text too.
Most of the time, the all-seeing eye of the swear box will stop you using all but the mildest and silliest terms. I think you can still say "wee" and "poo", but that's about it. Apparently you hit on the one word the moderators forgot to put in the forbidden database of words that thou shalt not say.
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