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#287662 - 05/09/11 06:20 PM Open Tunings
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I've a question regarding open tunings, and wondered whether any of the more experienced guitar players on the forum could give me some advice. When Tuning to open D, Drop or Double Drop D, The (Low E)String seem too slack. I'm only 6 months into this new musical adventure, but I'm keen to use these tunings for some Jackson Browne music I'm interested in learning. I'm using Martin 80/20 Bronze Extra Light String on a Tanglewood Earth 200, and also the same strings on my Cort AS-S4. Will changing the strings to a heavier guage improve this problem. The Electronic tuner say its D when plucking the Low E in these alternative tunings but it seems as if the tension is just to slack

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#287666 - 06/09/11 02:20 AM Re: Open Tunings [Re: BobJ]
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Generally speaking it's not unusual for players to go up a gauge in strings for playing dropped tunings.

I'm not a regular acoustic user, but with dropped tunings on electrics if you're using 9s for strings for example then drop D is likely to be a step too far for adequate string tension.

I'll let someone experienced in using acoustics say anything about what limitations there may be on string gauges / tensions etc. Electrics tend to be more robust, easier to setup, and less prone to damage from changed tensions etc - from what I have read you need to treat acoustics with more caution.

I must admit for slide work I've ended up preferring the open tunings that involve increasing the tension of strings - eg open E (E,B,E,G#,B,E). Makes slide a much more possible option using the same strings as you'd use for normal playing.
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#287912 - 14/09/11 05:18 PM Re: Open Tunings [Re: Mark P]
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i sometimes play dropped D or DADGAD with no problems though im using 12 gauge, maybe try a cheap set of 12s to see how you get on?
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#287919 - 15/09/11 01:14 AM Re: Open Tunings [Re: amadan]
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I do not use drop tunings but both my grandsons do. They use string sets which are described as Heavy Bottom, Regular Top. It is if, for example, you had the bottom strings from a set of 12's and the top strings from a set of 11's.
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#287927 - 15/09/11 08:11 AM Re: Open Tunings [Re: Jocko]
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I use various tunings with 12's on my acoustic. Wouldn't want to go lighter than that on acoustic. Maybe 11's or (10-56) on electric
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#287934 - 15/09/11 03:35 PM Re: Open Tunings [Re: stickyfiddle]
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Blimey I wish I could understand any part of the conversation above :-)

I'm sure that one day my guitar education will enable me to gather just what it is you guys are chatting about

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#287935 - 15/09/11 04:05 PM Re: Open Tunings [Re: Lotus]
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 Originally Posted By: Lotus
Blimey I wish I could understand any part of the conversation above :-)

I'm sure that one day my guitar education will enable me to gather just what it is you guys are chatting about


Quite simply, it's when you tune your guitar to anything other than standard EADGBe, allowing for different chords to be played more easily, or to play chords easily with a slide.

Tunings like DADGAD, or DGDGBD (open G) are favourites of mine
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#288002 - 17/09/11 04:37 PM Re: Open Tunings [Re: stickyfiddle]
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Thanks for the explanation Sticky.

Now why would I want to move away from the standard EADGBe tuning?

Is there a particular genre of music that requires this open tuning or is it just to aid the slide demons amongst us?

Seem to remember Keith Richards in his autobiography telling me that this was something he did and then of course he went on to lose the 6th string

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#288009 - 18/09/11 04:40 AM Re: Open Tunings [Re: Lotus]
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 Originally Posted By: Lotus
Thanks for the explanation Sticky.

Now why would I want to move away from the standard EADGBe tuning?

Is there a particular genre of music that requires this open tuning or is it just to aid the slide demons amongst us?

Seem to remember Keith Richards in his autobiography telling me that this was something he did and then of course he went on to lose the 6th string

A huge amount of the 'Keef' sound comes from the open tuning.

Some players like to use open tunings for the difference it makes to the voicings and harmonies and the resonances. Playing the Stones stuff in open G sounds like the Stones (especially if you lose the 6th string so the root note is on the then bottom 5th string) - play the same basic chords in ordinary tuning and it doesn't sound quite right.

The resonances of open tuning seem to give a lot of character to solo acoustic guitar players sounds too.

You're right that it's a big help to slide players to have open tuning - any movement of the slide on the strings starts sounding notes so to have to be moving up and down the strings to pick the notes of a single chord can become a horrible noise - with the open tunings all the chord notes are right there all lined up under the slide.

Some playes use the same open tuning for slide and for ordinary playing - I guess it's easier for them to remember where all the notes are than to have to have two fretboard layouts in their head. I believe Chris Rea for example uses open E for pretty much all his blues playing.
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#288025 - 18/09/11 03:54 PM Re: Open Tunings [Re: Mark P]
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Sounds like a good excuse for a second guitar, if an excuse was ever needed of course
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