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#287823 - 11/09/11 06:56 AM Replacing strat tuners
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Hi there

I'd like to replace the machine heads on a strat.

It currently has kluson style tuners & I was hoping to just replace them with the same style but better quality to minimise work involved / risk of messing it up!

I've taken one off, and the hole on the back of the headstock is only around 6mm.

Looking on axesrus, the minimum headstock hole on similar replacements seems to be 8mm.

So am I going to need to make the holes bigger if I want to fit better quality tuners, and if so any advice on how to do this without ruining the headstock?

Also, is the overall spacing / size of replacements likely to be the same, or might I need to drill new holes to fix the machine heads on? If that is the case I might as well consider different types of tuners (I was only thinking of sticking with kluson style as I'd hoped I could do a simple like-for-like swap).

Any advice appreciated.

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#287843 - 12/09/11 01:28 AM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: tramp]
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Have a look at Axetec for tuners. I always fit 10mm tuners myself but have developed a method for enlarging holes after making a real mess the first time.
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#287857 - 12/09/11 11:36 AM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: Jocko]
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 Originally Posted By: Jocko
Have a look at Axetec for tuners. I always fit 10mm tuners myself but have developed a method for enlarging holes after making a real mess the first time.


So what is your method? I'd like to avoid making a real mess if I can!
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#287858 - 12/09/11 12:38 PM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: tramp]
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I bought hard wood dowels the diameter of the old hole. (B&Q) I cut them to length to match the thickness of the guitar peg-head. I then mount them in a power drill and, with it turning, spot the centre with a pencil (you get as close to the centre and it draws a circle). I then glue then into the peg-head with white woodworkers glue so they are flush to each surface. Once the glue sets I dimple the circles with a bradawl and the drill the new hole size using a woodworkers lip and spur type drill bit. I go part way in from one side then finish the job from the other side. Any roughness is in the hole, not on the surface.
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#287862 - 12/09/11 02:08 PM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: Jocko]
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Crikey. It sounds like you are quite a bit more handy than me!

I was hoping I might be able to file the holes a couple of mil bigger with some type of special tool.

Is it not possible to get decent tuners with 6mm posts?
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#287872 - 13/09/11 01:25 AM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: tramp]
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Are you sure they are 6mm and not 8mm? Have you removed the metal sleeves? All the necks I have ever worked on have 8mm or 10mm holes.
Another thing is you say it is a Strat. Is it a clone or a genuine Fender. If you have a quality guitar then I would not be enlarging holes or fitting aftermarket tuners
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#287874 - 13/09/11 02:54 AM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: Jocko]
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 Originally Posted By: Jocko
Are you sure they are 6mm and not 8mm? Have you removed the metal sleeves? All the necks I have ever worked on have 8mm or 10mm holes.

Good point - like these ones at the top of the linked page.
metal sleeves / bushes

I did see Dangleberry Music on line selling replacement Dr Parts Strat necks with 6mm Machine Head pegholes. Maybe, if contacted, they could advise?
Strat Neck - 6mm pegholes
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#287895 - 14/09/11 01:16 AM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: Mark P]
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I use Dangleberry quite a bit but hadn't noticed the 6mm holes in neck.
I think they could be just pilot holes which you open up to suit your tuners. I have been unable to find 6mm tuners anywhere. There are plenty 8mm tuners with 6mm posts but they are all meant to be used with sleeves. If you left the sleeves out the peghead would suffer.
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#287900 - 14/09/11 06:15 AM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: Jocko]
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Another way to enlarge the holes is to use a reamer. They're really mainly used on metal, but they're a bit like a drill bit but with a flat tip and a very steep angle on the helix. You'd need to gradually go up in size so start with a 6.5 mm, then 7 mm, etc. until you get up to the size you want. they're designed to make a hole larger but keep the centre the same.
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#287905 - 14/09/11 12:00 PM Re: Replacing strat tuners [Re: Screaming Dave]
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Thanks for all your ideas & suggestions.

I've taken one of the tuners off again, and using my metal ruler and average eyesight there's no way I can measure the max diameter of the hole in the back of the head as any more than 7mm absolute max. There are bushes (if that's the correct term) on the front side of the head, but they don't seem to line the entire depth of the hole - just the top half or so.

The neck will be some unknown far east production, but is perfectly ok to play, so I definitely want to keep it in ok condition.

Maybe I should just order some 8mm replacements and go from there?
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