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#291391 - 04/01/12 07:09 PM Re: Megi's Stratocaster project - Finishing process underway [Re: Jocko]
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I may well go "au-naturel" as you put it, but I would probably have applied a sealer coat of Tru-Oil first anyway, so the option of using filler is still there at this stage I guess. Really I'm going to wait for it to dry a bit more (just got the back of the guitar done about an hour ago) before making a decision.

The wood is pretty smooth I have to say, no obvious bumps from the grain, and I don't mind a little subtle texture from the wood coming through the finish - it's a matter of taste I guess. Also a luthier on another forum was describing to me how you can sand in the oil (a bit like your suggestion on the tele build) giving a grain filling effect, so I may try that. We will have to see!
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#291392 - 04/01/12 07:13 PM Re: Megi's Stratocaster build project - confesion! [Re: Megi]
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Hard to see the join (Morecambe & Wise?) and it won't affect performance at all. Excellent job with the shim! \:\)
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#291393 - 04/01/12 07:20 PM Re: Megi's Stratocaster build project - confesion! [Re: Mark P]
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Cheers Mark, the shim was actually quite a few hours work, as it had to be thinner at one end than the other - so I tapered down a piece of veneer, then cut it over-sized. Glued it into place, then sanded the sticking-out bits flush to the suface of the body. Then tested the fit with the neck, still a small gap at one end (furthest from the end of the fingerboard), so had to make another even smaller tapered shim, cut over-size, glue-in, file flush etc....

What with some of my bits of veneer breaking before I could finish (it's fragile stuff) it took a while. Oh well, done now!
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#291409 - 05/01/12 07:13 AM Re: Neck Alignment [Re: Jocko]
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 Originally Posted By: Jocko
I have worked on a couple of Fender Strats and one came from Fender, shimmed, and the other had Fender's Micro adjustment system for setting up the neck. Obviously Fender specs are not the be all and end all.

My previous post referred to shims behind the neck. I misunderstood where you intended fitting a shim.
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#291410 - 05/01/12 07:17 AM Re: Neck Alignment [Re: Jocko]
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I have had this Tru-oil method on file for a while now. Maybe of some interest.

"I have a method that was taught to me by Michael Tobias. It is roughly a 5 day process

1. Once the guitar is well sanded to at least 180 grit ( 220 is better)
Start with a "soak coat" first
Use a small rag to wipe on liberal amounts of oil and keep the surface wet for 10-15 minutes. Wipe off excess and let dry for as long as you want. but not less than 24 hours. this coat is very important as it seals the wood and the deeper the oil goes the better your protection against moisture later. Pay attention to end grains as they soak up more oil.

2. Starting with 400 grit sandpaper. dip the sandpaper in a small amount of oil and sand in circular motions in a small area. the oil will begin to make a paste from the sanding dust, that you will want to push into the grain as much as possible. once the oil/dust paste starts to get stiff-ish, wipe off excess paste going across the wood grain. let dry another 24 hours. woods like ash ( or other wide grain woods) may require a sanding block to keep the wood surfaces flat. Close grains like mahogany and maples usually don't need a block.

3. Repeat step 2 using 600 grit.

4. Repeat with 1200 grit

5. Take a 400 count cotton sheet and cut into a 12" square. roll into a very tight, smooth surfaced, ball.
use the ball as you did the sandpapers.. dip into the oil and "polish" the wood surface.
when the oil gets warm and stiff-ish,
wipe off VERY vigorously WITH the grain, with a clean 400 count sheet ( balled up) damped with a VERY small amount of orange or lemon oil.
Buff and polish during and after this wipe off step and you should have a very nice glossy French polished finish. be careful of fingerprints.. as the oil dries, it will keep imprints in its surface.
I recommend you wear one cotton glove on one hand to hold the guitar with while you buff. watch for hard items on your work surface. I fact I recommend that you use something soft to do this whole process on.

Let dry another 24 hours and your done.

I prefer General Finishes Seal-a-cell and when I go to the 1200 grit paper I switch to Amour Seal also made by G.F.


This type of finish is not for the nambie pambie.. It require tons of elbow grease. Do it wrong and it looks like crap. do it right and it looks like a million bucks. if your arm is not hurting halfway through step 2... your doing it wrong."

Think this is original source
http://www.thegearpage.net/showthread.php?t=711780


Edited by Jocko (05/01/12 07:25 AM)
Edit Reason: Link added.
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#291415 - 05/01/12 11:38 AM Re: Neck Alignment [Re: Jocko]
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Thanks very much for all that Jocko, nice of you to take the time to make a detailed post like that. By chance it does sound like my first coat of Tru-Oil was applied a lot like he describes in step 1 for the "soak coat" (see my earlier post). I'm thinking maybe I can use the Tobias approach up to step 3 or 4, which seems to be the grain filling bit really, and then maybe carry on with our more normal Tru-Oil approach with lots of thin coats. The final stages outlined above do look a bit scary to me i.e. there seems to be obvious potential for it going wrong, and I'm a long way from being expert at this stuff... However, if I got to that point, I could see how I felt - if brave I could go with the remaining steps.

About the shims, I did understand what you were talking about - no confusion was caused, except perhaps by my later using the word in a slightly different context. Anyway, still thinking about things for the moment, and letting the first coat harden a bit more. Cheers!
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#291421 - 05/01/12 12:28 PM Re: Neck Alignment [Re: Megi]
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Is Tru-oil the same as Danish Oil by any chance?
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#291423 - 05/01/12 12:49 PM Re: Megi's Stratocaster project - Finishing process underway [Re: Ape09090]
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Tru Oil is not at all the same as Danish Oil as far as I can tell. I think Danish oil will fairly quickly give an oiled matt finish, which may be what you're after of course. True Oil is made by Birchwood Casey for use on gun-stocks, hard to describe but it can be built up by applying lots of thin layers, with polishing/buffing, to give a thin gloss type of finish, but to my eyes a lot more natural and nice looking than a poly-urethane gloss that you might find on a natural shop-bought guitar. There are probably other things it can do too - it seems like it was discoved some time ago by guitar builders, who have been finding good ways to use it ever since. I was first alerted to it on this forum by Jocko and Mark P when I started my tele build. The finish on the tele came out really great by the way:


There was a thread on here where I was asking questions about finishing and using Tru-Oil, but it seems to have vanished sadly. Here is the build thread for the Telecaster though, which you might have seen already: Tele building project thread


Edited by Megi (05/01/12 12:59 PM)
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#291426 - 05/01/12 02:08 PM Re: Megi's Stratocaster project - Finishing process underway [Re: Megi]
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I applied some Danish Oil to the pine floorboards in the room I'm sat in now a few years ago and the result was astonishing.
The blonde almost white pine started showing all kinds of red's and brown's on the first application of the danish oil and I was considering it as a finish or at least a stain for a guitar project although I admit a lot more buffing would be required to bring any kind of gloss to it for a guitar.

Graham,not mincing my words but that Telecaster looks like something you'd have to pay thousands of pounds for in a shop and that was your first build?
Amazing,really well done and congratulations.
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#291433 - 05/01/12 02:58 PM Re: Megi's Stratocaster project - Finishing process underway [Re: Ape09090]
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 Originally Posted By: Ape09090

Graham,not mincing my words but that Telecaster looks like something you'd have to pay thousands of pounds for in a shop and that was your first build?
Amazing,really well done and congratulations.


Thank's Andrew, I am very proud of it - you should hear it as well, it's really resonant and lovely to play, my favourite solidbody guitar in fact, and I made it myself! When you look at the specs, I think it does hold it's own against expensive Guitars you can buy too - very nice maple neck, a really lovely (and very light-weight) one-piece swamp ash body. I think you can see how well the finish worked too. I think to myself that surely I would have to pay a lot to buy a guitar like that? Total cost was roughly about £450 - which when you think about it is quite persuasive. The strat will work out even cheaper to make than that too!

For me it's all a strong argument for the parts building route. I guess the downside is that the resale value is going to be disappointing - people tend to value a brand name when they are buying a guitar. So the best thing is to keep your own part build Guitars and be happy with them. Also, I think it is not such good value if you start with really cheap parts, you will spend less, but end up with nothing very impressive in the end.

Cheers for liking the telecaster though, much appreciated, and I hope the thread shows how it is possible for anyone to do something like this. \:\)


Edited by Megi (05/01/12 03:00 PM)
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