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#290699 - 16/12/11 08:29 PM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: Ape09090]
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Thanks everyone for your input, thinking of going down the lessons route as the wife has offered to get me some for Crimbo (think shes gettin peed off listening to me) so heres hoping the lessons will be appreciated by both of us.
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#291171 - 30/12/11 02:44 PM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: ShortFingers]
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If you are a comlete beginner my advice would be to get a few lessons so you know how to tune the guitar and the basic chord shapes.

However don't waste £20 per hour whist a teacher sits there watching you trying to finger an A triad. Once you've got the very basics teach yourself for a while until you've got to grips with the minor and major pentatonics / some seventh chords and maybe the idea of modes.

At that point get some more lessons so that somebody can show you what to do with what you've learnt.

That's what I wish I'd done anyway!

Good luck

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#294476 - 19/03/12 09:48 PM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: pandawill]
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Hi everyone, just thought I would reserect this thread and let you know how I was doing. I have taken around ten lessons since the turn of the year and things seem to be goin OK. I must confess I had a poor almost non existant sense of rythym before taking lessons but not now and this has helped me progress. I must say though that the advice about no 'quick fix' to developing smooth chord changes was correct and that practice will eventually pay off is also correct. When I first bought my guitar a couldn't play a note but now I can strum all the basic and some of the other chords as well and can even do some of the easier chord changes, I still hit the odd bum note at times but I now know that practice will get me there eventually.
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#294478 - 19/03/12 09:59 PM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: ShortFingers]
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good on ya ShortFingers,why not give us a youtube performance now?
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#294480 - 19/03/12 10:19 PM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: Ape09090]
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 Originally Posted By: Ape09090
good on ya ShortFingers,why not give us a youtube performance now?


Well unfortunatley I aint that good, I still get 'banished' to the kitchen to practice as apparently I sound better in there. (according to the wife)

But maybe one day.
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#294483 - 20/03/12 01:04 AM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: ShortFingers]
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we don't care mate,show us what you're doing when you get a tune together
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#294487 - 20/03/12 08:27 AM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: Ape09090]
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Well done. I have just started lessons too.
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#294853 - 28/03/12 12:04 AM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: Jocko]
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In my humble opinion, lessons from a great teacher is an invaluable experience. Apart from the technical stuff, he/she can show you how to keep your motivation and always improve your playing. Also, he/she can point out your weaknesses and suggest exactly what you should focus on, something really hard if not impossible to spot yourself mostly because of ego defense mechanisms \:\)


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#294861 - 28/03/12 07:14 AM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: Sinnik_Al]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinnik_Al
Also, he/she can point out your weaknesses and suggest exactly what you should focus on, something really hard if not impossible to spot yourself mostly because of ego defense mechanisms \:\)

I agree wholeheartedly. After playing for years before taking lessons, my tutor went straight to the things that were missing from my knowledge. That is what we are working on now.
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#294864 - 28/03/12 08:02 AM Re: Self taught, or lessons. [Re: Sinnik_Al]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinnik_Al
lessons from a great teacher is an invaluable experience.

'Tis true .... BUT .... the difficulty is in finding a "great" teacher. Chances seem to be against it happening (for me anyway).

 Originally Posted By: Sinnik_Al
Apart from the technical stuff, he/she can show you how to keep your motivation and always improve your playing.

Again 'tis true. Conversely the difficulty for me lies in the way a teacher that is not on my wavelength can destroy my motivation with great ease.
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I have always found a major problem with lessons with a teacher is that they are at a fixed time - regardless of how I feel, how stressed my day has been etc. The travelling can be a pain too - pretty much a minimum of 90 minutes from where I live. So lessons usually become a chore rather than an uplifting experience.

It's been interesting being a member of a properly organised on line guitar teaching site for a long time to see how much better I can be motivated from lessons when I can choose the time to have one. Also been interesting to see just how few teachers I can relate to and the huge difference that results in what I can get from the different teachers lessons. Where I can't relate very well to the teacher and their methods there is very little of value that comes from the lesson regardless of their knowledge.

The problem is with me, I guess - I've always had issues with problems with learning from most teachers, whether school or further education or guitar - it seems I need to work things out for myself. If anything it's got worse over the years - I'm probably a bit pig-headed and bolshy so I'm not prepared to up with being talked down to by a teacher however much knowledge they have - they need good man-management skills. ;\)

Not that my pig-headedness is down to an over inflated view of my own abilities - I despeately need a bicycle pump to get any air at all in my ego when it comes down to guitar playing abilities. It's a poor wee flattened shrivelled thing at the best of times. \:\(
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