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#290575 - 12/12/11 10:37 PM Re: Capacitors [Re: Ape09090]
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Well, that's as maybe, but you're not going to be using electrolytic capacitors in a guitar. Non-polarised capacitors hand over to electrolytics somewhere around the 1uF region, although personally I've used plastic film capacitors up to 20uF or more in specialised applications. Anyway, below 1uF you're not going to be using electrolytics.

A simple model of a real capacitor has four elements, the most important of which is the capacitance C. In series with that is a low inductance, caused by the wound construction of many capacitors, plus leadouts; and a low resistance, which represents losses, most due to dielectric imperfections. This equivalent series resistance (ESR) determines the ripple current rating of the capacitor, i.e. how much it heats up when high currents pass through it. The final element is a high parallel resistance, representing dielectric leakage, i.e. the fact that a capacitor won't hold its charge forever.

In smoothing applications such as in switched mode power supplies, the ESR and ESL (equivalent series inductance) are important as they dominate the performance at ripple frequencies (which are usually well above 20kHz in a SMPS). The ESL resonates with the capacitance C, and above the resonant frequency the component looks more like an inductor than a capacitor. A common design trick is to use a lot of small electrolytics in parallel rather than one big one, as this raises the resonant frequency.

Non-electrolytic capacitors, even of wound construction, have a resonant frequency usually well into the radio frequency range and this will have no effect at audio frequencies.

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#290580 - 12/12/11 11:23 PM Re: Capacitors [Re: DaveBass]
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I just read about Allen Bradley carbon composite resistors,apparently they have zero inductance and that's a good thing.

Do you build your own amps as well then Dave?
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#290595 - 13/12/11 07:22 AM Re: Capacitors [Re: Ape09090]
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The value of inductance of any, non wire wound, resistor is as near zero as to make no difference in audio circuits. Inductance, other than large values, really comes into effect in radio frequency circuits.
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#290599 - 13/12/11 11:48 AM Re: Capacitors [Re: Ape09090]
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 Originally Posted By: Ape09090
Do you build your own amps as well then Dave?

Well, I used to, but when I took up electronics as a career I lost interest in it as a hobby.

Music was also my hobby, and I'm glad to say that since I've never done it professionally, it's still my hobby.

Jocko is right about inductance. The only inductance you need to think about is the inductance of your pickups! Everything else is negligible.

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#290602 - 13/12/11 11:51 AM Re: Capacitors [Re: DaveBass]
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Well,I spent 7 quid on those allen bradley resistors last night,lol

It will have worked out cheaper just buying a new guitar soon.
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