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#290959 - 23/12/11 09:53 AM
Found "lost" Peter Green track
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Megi
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After Mark P's recent post in the "please help?" thread I was reminded of a vinyl album I bought in the mid 1980's - it was a compilation of various British blues boom tracks from the late 60's, Alexis Korner, Clapton, Mayall etc. (wish I still had it). There were a few less often heard acts on there as well I think. But there was one track in particular I remember, where Peter Green's solo just blew my 17-ish year old self away completely - but I could not for the life of me remember much except it had Green playing with someone, possibly not John Mayall, might have been Eddie someone...  Just spent an hour or so searching on the web - thank you Wiki for not even mentioning this album/phase of PG's career in the Peter Green entry!  but in the end I went to Youtube and typed "Peter Green Eddie" into the search box. And there it was, Peter Green with Eddie Boyd on "Too Bad". Green just takes one chorus, no flashy stuff, but the note placerment, tone, something undefinable... it still sounds wonderful. Anyway, just wanted to share this with you lovely people! Peter Green/Eddie Boyd - Too Bad
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#290965 - 23/12/11 01:33 PM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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DaveBass
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At the risk of upsetting you badly, Megi ... to me it sounds like what you'd hear coming out of any old rehearsal room, preceded by: "Okay guys, first time we've played together, so for a warm-up let's try a 12-bar blues in D. Medium tempo. I'll see if I can improvise some lyrics. Fred, take a guitar solo when I give you a nod."
But with added horns. (Even though D's not an easy key for brass.)
I have to say, the drummer on that track sounds remarkably uninspired; he doesn't even do any fills. Personally I'd feel ashamed if I'd programmed a MIDI drum track as simple as that!
Sorry, Megi! 
What do other people think?
Dave
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#290967 - 23/12/11 02:33 PM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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Megi
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Hi Dave, wow that does seem a bit on the harsh side to me! I wasn't really focusing on the drums - you're right that they are somewhat basic. I'm not upset I assure you, one thing I've learned is that we all seem to hear music differently somehow. But this track really did inspire me a lot when I was younger, and I can't stop liking it now - Peter Green still sounds lovely to me - that subtle singing vibrato, the phrasing, the way he fills around the vocals... no? And I like the horns too, what's wrong with them playing in D anyway, they seem able to do it. Mr Boyd's piano and vocals sound like the real deal to me as well - it is a 12 bar, we all know the formula, but I don't think I can go along with the "thrown together" thing. Anyway, you are very much entitled to your views, and I do appreciate you telling it like it is, for yourself at least. I'm interested to know what some of the others think now! 
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#290972 - 23/12/11 03:19 PM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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Mark P
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Shows how varied a reaction can be to a piece of music!
I'll have to admit to a biais where Peter Green in concerned, but as far as this particular track goes I am in the middle ground somewhere. My feeling is that the Peter Green guitar is the highlight, most of the rest of it is "solid", and that the drums are definitley uninspired.
I'm with Megi on the quality of Peter Greens "note placement, tone, something undefinable". Nothing flash - but the last thing good blues has or needs is flash.
I know from my own attempts to play that Peter Green is one of the most difficult blues players to copy - getting the right notes is only a very small part of the puzzle, and not too difficult. Getting the feel, timing and tonal qualities - the expressiveness - is a huge task (one that's way beyond me).
Hmmmm ...... I'm sure I know a recording that could polarise opinion hugely too. It's slow. A very basic blues. Just guitar, blues harp, and voice. But for me there's a musical and expressive quality that launches itself out of the speakers at me and shows how Peter Green had really tapped in to the true feeling of blues. Despite the poor quality of what was a home demo in Duster Bennets flat. The same song ended up properly recorded in the studio for Fleetwood Mac's Mr Wonderful album, but I think this earlier demo is much the stronger performance.
Peter Green Duster Bennett Trying So Hard to Forget
Having said that - three years ago I'm pretty sure I;d have been very unimpressed with Trying So Hard to Forget. Something changed in my musical taste in a big way. 
Edited by Mark P (23/12/11 03:26 PM)
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#290975 - 23/12/11 04:27 PM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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Megi
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Got to say I like that one as well Mark, for pretty much the same reasons you do! Maybe I'm a Peter Green fan myself... That "launch out of the speakers at you" quality I do identify with - I heard the same thing on the Eddie Boyd track when i was 17. It's fascinating to me as a jazz fan (where often the musical interest is at least partly down to the use of subtle, complex harmonies) how the blues can be so simple in form, yet tracks like this bear repeated listening as well as anything I can think of.
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#290997 - 24/12/11 08:42 AM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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Skyline Band
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As a lifelong PG fan I'd have to come down on the side of 'this isn't his best', sorry! It just sounds like directionless noodling on the relevant fret box. There are so many other examples of his superlative taste in compiling a solo, e.g. the one at 2:28 in 'So Many Roads' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nePwvdWQMg
And 'Love That Burns' for THAT tone! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP5IEOYj9MU
But any Peter is good Peter, well apart from all the stuff since his comeback. What a tragedy that he totally lost his mojo.
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#291022 - 24/12/11 10:32 PM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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Megi
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Mark that is some great insight there - I feel I understand his story quite a bit better from reading just your last post. Perhaps like a lot of brilliant people, he does seem to be not without his demons - even if it is at the cost of his "mojo", I'm maybe happy that he has found a measure of stability in his life in more recent times. And maybe it's all too clear just how real that chill that BB noted is in his playing, and what is behind it. A completely compelling, true and fascinating artist anyway.
Edited by Megi (24/12/11 10:33 PM)
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#291027 - 24/12/11 11:53 PM
Re: Found "lost" Peter Green track
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DaveBass
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one thing I've learned is that we all seem to hear music differently somehow.
That's so, and to tell you the truth I'm a bit worried about my apparent inability to hear the subtleties of expression that other people seem to be able to put their finger on in musical performances. I generally can't tell one guitarist from another, for example.
Probably for a similar reason I've never rated vocalists very highly. As far as I'm concerned, most of them just sing other people's work competently, and it's the composer, not the singer, that should get most of the credit. I know I'm in a minority of one here!
As I say, this is a musical failing in myself, and one that as a composer myself I find somewhat concerning. But I have a similar "blindness" to things like fashion, style, coolness, things that I've never been able to understand let alone emulate.
On a related topic, I've recently discovered I'm fairly badly face-blind. I can't easily recognise people unless I know them well, and if I see an acquaintance in an unexpected environment I'm quite likely to ignore them -- people tend to find this offensive! To me, faces aren't anything special, just a collection of eyes, nose, mouth etc, but other people seem to see something beyond that -- "A Face" -- that's unique and individual and can't be confused with anyone else's. This is a mystery to me. Like other face-blind people, I rely on clues like hairstyle, glasses, voice to tell people apart; faces tend to be a bit of a blur. (I can't even close my eyes and imagine my close relatives' faces, though of course I recognise them when I see them.)
On the other side of the coin, I find it easy to read people's expressions and emotions, and see through people when they're lying. (Female politicians do this a lot. Harriet Harman is one of the worst culprits.) For this reason I find dramas and soaps on TV impossible to watch, as the players are always overacting and hamming it up. Same thing with music, most of it is derivative, imitative rubbish (including my own output) but there are occasional pearls, which often go unrecognised.
So perhaps my brain is wired up in a funny way. Well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! I can't help it, I was born that way!
Dave
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